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Respecting Beliefs

Posted By: Randy GageApril 1, 2013

There’s a lot of talk these days about respecting beliefs.  Particularly in the posts I wrote about organized religion, many chastised me, suggesting it was disrespectful of me, because I was not respecting people’s beliefs.  They suggest that since beliefs are so personal and important to people, they should be off limits from discussion. 

Let’s look at how crazy that idea actually is...

We are talking about beliefs that people don’t even know they have.  Beliefs that teach them they are unworthy, even subhuman.  Beliefs that cause them to live their whole life in suffering.  Beliefs that direct them to kill themselves or murder others.

These are EXACTLY the kind of beliefs that should be questioned in the most aggressive way.  

Now that brings up the issue of respect.  Some have questioned the lack of respect I show some of these beliefs…

I show respect for the people who hold them.  I show nothing but disdain for beliefs that are delusional, harmful or even evil.  The truest sign of love you can show someone is being willing to call them on their stuff, and tell them the truth.

I respect your right to believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy.  And if I really care about you, I will confront you if you still hold these beliefs when you are 27 years old.  The truth is, many of the myths and superstitious still perpetuated by organized religion today make the Easter Bunny seem plausible by comparison.

The other big difference is that people who believe in Santa or the tooth fairy don’t feel the need to kill people who don’t.   They don’t have murderous and suicidal beliefs about martyrdom either.   At least if someone believes in an omnipotent Santa who’s making a list and checking it twice – their beliefs lead them to be nice instead of naughty.

Yet we live in such a crazy, delusional society today, that parents dissuade their kids as the get older from harmless beliefs like Santa and the tooth fairy, but still keep indoctrinating them with even more preposterous beliefs – which are actually quite dangerous to them and society as a whole.

If you have a harmful belief that holds you back from fulfilling who you are meant to be and you want that belief to be respected – this is the wrong blog for you.

If you care about someone, you will always tell them when they have a belief you feel is harmful to them.  And if people care about you, they will do the same for you.  That is real respect.

-RG

31 comments on “Respecting Beliefs”

  1. Right on Randy! Putting the finger on the sore spot is an act of love. Thanks for your (sometimes tough) love 🙂

  2. Those having Money as their god have throughout history proven to be just a vicious, rapacious, delusional and dangerous as those with any of the other false gods!

  3. BerniceTempleman1 
    With respect: I choose my words carefully, so when I say tough love, it's because I mean tough love. And frankly I don't see or perceive anything abusive in Randy's post, but that's just me ...

  4. It is always about the way you say thing, and how and when you do it.  Here is a belief that harms you, you don't always see when you're wrong Randy.  You are not always respectful in how you criticize people and you get that back.  Also, you allow others to be disrespectful on your blog.  Disrespect begets disrespect. 
    You hurt people with your bluntness.  That is not right even if you say you are doing it for their benefit.  IT is difficult to hear a helpful truth if your smacked in the face with it, at least for some people.  Maybe those of us like that Shouldn't follow you, those of us who are sensitive and have FEELINGS.
    To me it seems like you are defensive many times, even in this post.  Why?  I am not saying I know.  Just making an observation.

  5. Randy, I know you have the persona of being up front and honest, and you are.  I think that is a really nice quality, but when you are dealing with actual people, you have to have real compassion and empathy skills.  If you could find that within yourself, I think and truly believe there would be no stopping you in how much more greatness you could achieve.  You really have to open your mind and heart for that Randy.  I am not going to say anything else.  I think this is really what I wanted you to know all along.

  6. Annieb People should be free to be frank (without being rude). That's why most of us have no problem with Randy's candor - even when we know he is mistaken. My issue with him is that he often shows the same level of intolerance to opposing viewpoints that he complains about. Just follow is reactions closely and you'll see what I am saying.

  7. SherwinWilliams  Yes, I see your point.  Although, I don't think we should have tolerance for hate.  For instance, I think it is okay for Randy to be intolerant of ideas and beliefs that promote hatred.  We all should be.  But, we have to be intolerant of the belief not the person.

  8. @Sherwin Williams   I don't think this comment serves you, or furthers the discussion.  And may even set it back. 
    The point of the post is how ultimately, it is the most respectful (and yes, loving and caring Annie) to people if you don't respect beliefs that are harmful to them or others.   You mention that people who have money as a false god are just as delusional, rapacious, etc.  You could have also said, "And people who don't water their lawns kill the grass," or "There are also people who order pizza from Domino's and don't tip the driver."  These all may be true, but what's the point to the issue raised?
    I fear it is really a distraction: "Someone is threatening my beliefs so let me change the subject" or it's the reaction driven by a money-is-evil mind virus:  "I'm not open to questioning my beliefs, so let me trot out examples of rich people who worship their money and possessions."  It's almost like a slick NLP technique:  Slide the attention to the godless money worshipers and no one can then question my own dogma.
    The real issue I am addressing in this post is that we live in a society now that feels discussion of religions beliefs are off limits, and most believe a peaceful world will be created by "respecting" everyone's religions beliefs.  There is much evidence to the contrary.  When those religious beliefs are dangerous to the person holding them - or as is the case with beliefs of reincarnation, martyrdom and jihad - dangerous to society as a whole - we cannot respect those beliefs but much challenge them.

    -RG

  9. I must side with Randy on this.. And to expand on it, there are many 'cultural' elements that play into the beliefs forced down the throats of those who are imbued with the beliefs of organized religion. By this I refer to behaviors people of various religious beliefs adopt, i.e. "Never pay retail" (Jewish), etc. These beliefs do NOT serve a prosperity mindset and cause far more damage. There's also very strong judgement that goes along with these beliefs.
     I have witnessed so many people who literally 'can't see the forest 'fore the trees' due such deep programming. I call these 'the should rules', i.e. you should do this, that or the other thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recollect getting a 'rule book 'when I was born. The rule books may be religious texts, or other such things. "God fearing" is an oxymoron to me.. Why FEAR God if he's Love?.. Doesn't make sense. In the end, CHANGE is what's most important. "I'm looking at the Man in the Mirror".. MJ said it best.. Peace to all..

  10. Randy_Gage I agree it is loving and caring to get people to question their beliefs.  It is about how respectful you are when you are doing it.   I don't know that we live in a society that feels discussing religious beliefs is off limits.  You are wrong about that, and I don't think that belief serves you Randy.  Here we are discussing Religious beliefs!
    I really think it is just in your experiences.  When you hang with conservatives, you know...  I'm just saying....

  11. Yes that's terrible. But a more pressing issue has been weighing upon me for a long while. Why wont dodge resurrect all that tooling for the 68 - 70 charger and resurrect it. One of the most attractibe cars ever built. They could upgrade the suspension a bit, put n modern V8 hemi and a six speed automatic that could go full manual if you wanted it to. Just make it in a minimal number of trim levels amd colors. The price tag should be about 24 grand. That would make my day.

  12. There are some people you just can't reach.
    I've tried to reach some members of my family for years telling them how their behavior and beliefs hurts them and other people.
    Sometimes you have to say your piece, and then walk away.

  13. Hi Randy,
    Excellent points here.
    The people who truly respect other people have no issues being labelled as being disrespectful.
    Like yourself. You speak your mind. You do not fear individuals who are so attached to their harmful belief systems, that they label you as being disrespectful, or as lacking compassion.
    Some of the greatest lessons in compassion I received were from absolute assholes. Seriously. I learned to be compassionate from people who challenged me. From folks who were angry and upset, and then....drumroll....I learned that these people were not assholes, they were teaching me valuable lessons.
    Then...yikes! I learned that virtually all of these folks cared about me, and wanted me to change my life because I was hurting myself, by believing in ridiculous, harmful things. So the former a-hole was no disrespectful jerk, they were calm, balanced and wise folks who were speaking a unconfident, low self-esteem having dude who needed to be challenged, to wake up.
    Thanks RG, super stuff as always.
    Ryan

  14. I hope you touch on how education indoctrinates some into believing they are "smart" and that others are stupid.
    We also mustn't forget about entertainment, news, and the government.
    How often do you hear about the successful person who does treat people well?
    We either showcase monsters or people who are/have destroyed themselves.

  15. Annieb this is all well and good, but at the end of the day, nobody can force somebody else to do anything. It's just not possible.. 
    All these "shoulds", the world should do this, these people need to stop doing that.. at the end of the day, everyone is going to do exactly what they want or need or think they have to do, and they have ultimate power over that. 
     Personally, I think the key to contentment and peace in your heart starts with recognizing the sovereign and divine power that is individual will, and allowing others to have their preference of belief as much as you allow yourself to have your preference of belief. This does indeed take courage, because you release the need to know the ultimate outcome of your choices. It takes courage, faith and integrity. 
    I like to think of it backwards. I often imagine myself at my deathbed, thinking back about the choices I've made in my life. Would I be happy with the choices I've made? What about the choices I'm making right now? So far so good 🙂

  16. AnniebWhen my kids father left, I took them to see a therapist to help them
    with any residual abandonment issues that may have come up.  My son was 7
    or so. He told the therapist he'd like to see him.  The therapist asked
    him Why? My son hoped that he'd be able to change him into a great
    loving father - the one he dreamed of having. The therapist repeated
    again and again: "You can not change anyone. I know you'd LIKE to, but
    you can't!"    SO my son said that he wouldn't like to see him any
    longer - he didn't like his father.  And if he had to accept him as he
    is - knowing that he can't change him - he'd rather not see him.   So he
    wrote to his Dad and told him that he wouldn't see him again - that he
    realises he doesn't have the power to change him.  That only he can
    change himself.
    The most empowering thing you may EVER learn here is this: YOU CAN NOT CHANGE ANYONE ELSE (except YOU!)! Only they can change themselves. ONLY if they want to.  It's a truly hard lesson to learn! It's so easy to see others faults, blindspots, weaknesses, and issues.  It's truly easy to see the things in others that should be changed.  Tho no one ever made healthy friends or awesome connections through saying: "I know what's wrong with you, and this is what it is!"
    Knowing this... that you'll NEVER have the power to change Randy - no matter how many times you try, and no matter how hard you bang that drum...   Why stay?   
    You can waste your time and energy preaching to him who HE should be according to YOUR ideas, or you can learn from what he's saying, or you can know that what he's teaching doesn't work for your beliefs and move on!  But coming here to get HIM to change??? 
    You're going to lose EVERY time, and end up feeling unheard, rejected, and upset.  I wonder why you want to set yourself up for that Annie?  You're worth more that being treated like that.  Who do you LOVE being around?  Who treats you WONDERFULLY?  Who's beliefs and ways of being do you ADORE?  Go celebrate and enjoy them.  Truly.  If I were you, I'd go where your heart feels joyous and adored.  MUCH healthier than thinking you can change Randy! 
    Randy won't change for anyone.  He likes who he is. He's happy with who he is. Who he is works for him. Either love who he is... or leave 😉 Your challenge of him, and criticism of him won't change him.  It just makes folks react and judge you.  Why would you want that for you?
    The greatest power you'll ever gain her is getting that you can ONLY change YOU!  There lies your greatest gift: celebrate YOU!

  17. I apologize for the typos and the odd missed word. This was the first time I posted from my smart phone. Its odd that the car companies can't see from the fact that there is a multi billion dollar aftermarket parts industry for all those desirable classics ( 1968 - 1972 ) that there would  be a market to resurrect some of those models. All they would have to do was take orders, and if there are enough of them, the car companies could do the numbers and see if its feasible. The plus side is that they could make the same models for years and parts would always be readily available.

  18. NatalieLamb Annieb Wise words.
    The most entertaining reading in debates about prosperity is to read the answers that stress how important the message is FOR ALL THOSE OTHER FOLKS OUT THERE! 
    Not for me, nooo I am cool man, but my neighbour? Huhuuu does he have issues!
    Anyway, its all part of the fun of living. I am grateful for Randy's prosperity series which I listen all over every year or so. It keeps me focused and on track. I wonder if he has ever eaten maccheroni with cheese anymore?
    Only kidding

  19. What is respect?
    Noun
    A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
    Verb
    Admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
    I personally have no respect for anyone upholding, promoting, preaching, passing on or distributing in any way shape or form beliefs that are deleterious to a person a culture or a nation. 
    And I do not apologise for it. Neither should you Randy.
    Does not win popularity contests for sure, may get you in trouble from time to time, can be clearly dangerous but is the right thing to do.
    I respect the person that regardless of his beliefs is able to debate alternatives without playing the offense / race / gender / social card. 
    No respect for the fundamentalist, the marble tower dweller, the one that knows in details what is best for me, but has yet to fix his own life.
    Hooroo
    Marc

  20. 1Marc Indeed - RG, how often do you eat Macaroni CHeese? Do you still have it to remind you of the old days - or are you totally put off?
    I know for me - the food of the days of poverty in childhood are repulsive to me - it was dried and soggy sandwiches.  The thought of them makes me want to throw up.  I don't eat normal bread - and won't go near the bread we had as kids. My kids hardly ever get sandwiches in their school lunches.

  21. Randy_Gage I, for some reason, had put it beyond you to dismiss a legitimate perspective on a moot topic by resorting to some narrow-minded, pre-packaged, pseudo-psychological reasoning. I suggested no opposition to the pursuit of riches or the honing of the skills and attitudes required so to do because I have none. In fact, I support and promote such, as long as it is all done ethically. I never challenged your abhorrence for dangerous religious beliefs simply because I also share those feels on the subject. My comment is simply an acknowledgement of the fact that many have simply transferred the same fanatical tendencies they have towards religion to the arena pursuing wealth with equally negative consequences. It's both a kind of balance and a caution in one.
    Somehow, you find that to be an attack on your belief system that you feel you must attack doggedly!! Quite odd.

  22. NatalieLamb Annieb Thank you Natalie. Thank you for your time and kind words.  I will think about what you say.  I am still learning. 🙂

  23. SherwinWilliams    Actually I did not find your comments to be an attack on my belief system at all.  I'm glad to hear that you share my feelings on the dangers of many religious beliefs.  I just found it out to bring in the money example and feel it distracts from the real issue.  Please don't take my comments to be attacking you "doggedly" - they weren't.

    -RG

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  • 31 comments on “Respecting Beliefs”

    1. Right on Randy! Putting the finger on the sore spot is an act of love. Thanks for your (sometimes tough) love 🙂

    2. Those having Money as their god have throughout history proven to be just a vicious, rapacious, delusional and dangerous as those with any of the other false gods!

    3. BerniceTempleman1 
      With respect: I choose my words carefully, so when I say tough love, it's because I mean tough love. And frankly I don't see or perceive anything abusive in Randy's post, but that's just me ...

    4. It is always about the way you say thing, and how and when you do it.  Here is a belief that harms you, you don't always see when you're wrong Randy.  You are not always respectful in how you criticize people and you get that back.  Also, you allow others to be disrespectful on your blog.  Disrespect begets disrespect. 
      You hurt people with your bluntness.  That is not right even if you say you are doing it for their benefit.  IT is difficult to hear a helpful truth if your smacked in the face with it, at least for some people.  Maybe those of us like that Shouldn't follow you, those of us who are sensitive and have FEELINGS.
      To me it seems like you are defensive many times, even in this post.  Why?  I am not saying I know.  Just making an observation.

    5. Randy, I know you have the persona of being up front and honest, and you are.  I think that is a really nice quality, but when you are dealing with actual people, you have to have real compassion and empathy skills.  If you could find that within yourself, I think and truly believe there would be no stopping you in how much more greatness you could achieve.  You really have to open your mind and heart for that Randy.  I am not going to say anything else.  I think this is really what I wanted you to know all along.

    6. Annieb People should be free to be frank (without being rude). That's why most of us have no problem with Randy's candor - even when we know he is mistaken. My issue with him is that he often shows the same level of intolerance to opposing viewpoints that he complains about. Just follow is reactions closely and you'll see what I am saying.

    7. SherwinWilliams  Yes, I see your point.  Although, I don't think we should have tolerance for hate.  For instance, I think it is okay for Randy to be intolerant of ideas and beliefs that promote hatred.  We all should be.  But, we have to be intolerant of the belief not the person.

    8. @Sherwin Williams   I don't think this comment serves you, or furthers the discussion.  And may even set it back. 
      The point of the post is how ultimately, it is the most respectful (and yes, loving and caring Annie) to people if you don't respect beliefs that are harmful to them or others.   You mention that people who have money as a false god are just as delusional, rapacious, etc.  You could have also said, "And people who don't water their lawns kill the grass," or "There are also people who order pizza from Domino's and don't tip the driver."  These all may be true, but what's the point to the issue raised?
      I fear it is really a distraction: "Someone is threatening my beliefs so let me change the subject" or it's the reaction driven by a money-is-evil mind virus:  "I'm not open to questioning my beliefs, so let me trot out examples of rich people who worship their money and possessions."  It's almost like a slick NLP technique:  Slide the attention to the godless money worshipers and no one can then question my own dogma.
      The real issue I am addressing in this post is that we live in a society now that feels discussion of religions beliefs are off limits, and most believe a peaceful world will be created by "respecting" everyone's religions beliefs.  There is much evidence to the contrary.  When those religious beliefs are dangerous to the person holding them - or as is the case with beliefs of reincarnation, martyrdom and jihad - dangerous to society as a whole - we cannot respect those beliefs but much challenge them.

      -RG

    9. I must side with Randy on this.. And to expand on it, there are many 'cultural' elements that play into the beliefs forced down the throats of those who are imbued with the beliefs of organized religion. By this I refer to behaviors people of various religious beliefs adopt, i.e. "Never pay retail" (Jewish), etc. These beliefs do NOT serve a prosperity mindset and cause far more damage. There's also very strong judgement that goes along with these beliefs.
       I have witnessed so many people who literally 'can't see the forest 'fore the trees' due such deep programming. I call these 'the should rules', i.e. you should do this, that or the other thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recollect getting a 'rule book 'when I was born. The rule books may be religious texts, or other such things. "God fearing" is an oxymoron to me.. Why FEAR God if he's Love?.. Doesn't make sense. In the end, CHANGE is what's most important. "I'm looking at the Man in the Mirror".. MJ said it best.. Peace to all..

    10. Randy_Gage I agree it is loving and caring to get people to question their beliefs.  It is about how respectful you are when you are doing it.   I don't know that we live in a society that feels discussing religious beliefs is off limits.  You are wrong about that, and I don't think that belief serves you Randy.  Here we are discussing Religious beliefs!
      I really think it is just in your experiences.  When you hang with conservatives, you know...  I'm just saying....

    11. Yes that's terrible. But a more pressing issue has been weighing upon me for a long while. Why wont dodge resurrect all that tooling for the 68 - 70 charger and resurrect it. One of the most attractibe cars ever built. They could upgrade the suspension a bit, put n modern V8 hemi and a six speed automatic that could go full manual if you wanted it to. Just make it in a minimal number of trim levels amd colors. The price tag should be about 24 grand. That would make my day.

    12. There are some people you just can't reach.
      I've tried to reach some members of my family for years telling them how their behavior and beliefs hurts them and other people.
      Sometimes you have to say your piece, and then walk away.

    13. Hi Randy,
      Excellent points here.
      The people who truly respect other people have no issues being labelled as being disrespectful.
      Like yourself. You speak your mind. You do not fear individuals who are so attached to their harmful belief systems, that they label you as being disrespectful, or as lacking compassion.
      Some of the greatest lessons in compassion I received were from absolute assholes. Seriously. I learned to be compassionate from people who challenged me. From folks who were angry and upset, and then....drumroll....I learned that these people were not assholes, they were teaching me valuable lessons.
      Then...yikes! I learned that virtually all of these folks cared about me, and wanted me to change my life because I was hurting myself, by believing in ridiculous, harmful things. So the former a-hole was no disrespectful jerk, they were calm, balanced and wise folks who were speaking a unconfident, low self-esteem having dude who needed to be challenged, to wake up.
      Thanks RG, super stuff as always.
      Ryan

    14. I hope you touch on how education indoctrinates some into believing they are "smart" and that others are stupid.
      We also mustn't forget about entertainment, news, and the government.
      How often do you hear about the successful person who does treat people well?
      We either showcase monsters or people who are/have destroyed themselves.

    15. Annieb this is all well and good, but at the end of the day, nobody can force somebody else to do anything. It's just not possible.. 
      All these "shoulds", the world should do this, these people need to stop doing that.. at the end of the day, everyone is going to do exactly what they want or need or think they have to do, and they have ultimate power over that. 
       Personally, I think the key to contentment and peace in your heart starts with recognizing the sovereign and divine power that is individual will, and allowing others to have their preference of belief as much as you allow yourself to have your preference of belief. This does indeed take courage, because you release the need to know the ultimate outcome of your choices. It takes courage, faith and integrity. 
      I like to think of it backwards. I often imagine myself at my deathbed, thinking back about the choices I've made in my life. Would I be happy with the choices I've made? What about the choices I'm making right now? So far so good 🙂

    16. AnniebWhen my kids father left, I took them to see a therapist to help them
      with any residual abandonment issues that may have come up.  My son was 7
      or so. He told the therapist he'd like to see him.  The therapist asked
      him Why? My son hoped that he'd be able to change him into a great
      loving father - the one he dreamed of having. The therapist repeated
      again and again: "You can not change anyone. I know you'd LIKE to, but
      you can't!"    SO my son said that he wouldn't like to see him any
      longer - he didn't like his father.  And if he had to accept him as he
      is - knowing that he can't change him - he'd rather not see him.   So he
      wrote to his Dad and told him that he wouldn't see him again - that he
      realises he doesn't have the power to change him.  That only he can
      change himself.
      The most empowering thing you may EVER learn here is this: YOU CAN NOT CHANGE ANYONE ELSE (except YOU!)! Only they can change themselves. ONLY if they want to.  It's a truly hard lesson to learn! It's so easy to see others faults, blindspots, weaknesses, and issues.  It's truly easy to see the things in others that should be changed.  Tho no one ever made healthy friends or awesome connections through saying: "I know what's wrong with you, and this is what it is!"
      Knowing this... that you'll NEVER have the power to change Randy - no matter how many times you try, and no matter how hard you bang that drum...   Why stay?   
      You can waste your time and energy preaching to him who HE should be according to YOUR ideas, or you can learn from what he's saying, or you can know that what he's teaching doesn't work for your beliefs and move on!  But coming here to get HIM to change??? 
      You're going to lose EVERY time, and end up feeling unheard, rejected, and upset.  I wonder why you want to set yourself up for that Annie?  You're worth more that being treated like that.  Who do you LOVE being around?  Who treats you WONDERFULLY?  Who's beliefs and ways of being do you ADORE?  Go celebrate and enjoy them.  Truly.  If I were you, I'd go where your heart feels joyous and adored.  MUCH healthier than thinking you can change Randy! 
      Randy won't change for anyone.  He likes who he is. He's happy with who he is. Who he is works for him. Either love who he is... or leave 😉 Your challenge of him, and criticism of him won't change him.  It just makes folks react and judge you.  Why would you want that for you?
      The greatest power you'll ever gain her is getting that you can ONLY change YOU!  There lies your greatest gift: celebrate YOU!

    17. I apologize for the typos and the odd missed word. This was the first time I posted from my smart phone. Its odd that the car companies can't see from the fact that there is a multi billion dollar aftermarket parts industry for all those desirable classics ( 1968 - 1972 ) that there would  be a market to resurrect some of those models. All they would have to do was take orders, and if there are enough of them, the car companies could do the numbers and see if its feasible. The plus side is that they could make the same models for years and parts would always be readily available.

    18. NatalieLamb Annieb Wise words.
      The most entertaining reading in debates about prosperity is to read the answers that stress how important the message is FOR ALL THOSE OTHER FOLKS OUT THERE! 
      Not for me, nooo I am cool man, but my neighbour? Huhuuu does he have issues!
      Anyway, its all part of the fun of living. I am grateful for Randy's prosperity series which I listen all over every year or so. It keeps me focused and on track. I wonder if he has ever eaten maccheroni with cheese anymore?
      Only kidding

    19. What is respect?
      Noun
      A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
      Verb
      Admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
      I personally have no respect for anyone upholding, promoting, preaching, passing on or distributing in any way shape or form beliefs that are deleterious to a person a culture or a nation. 
      And I do not apologise for it. Neither should you Randy.
      Does not win popularity contests for sure, may get you in trouble from time to time, can be clearly dangerous but is the right thing to do.
      I respect the person that regardless of his beliefs is able to debate alternatives without playing the offense / race / gender / social card. 
      No respect for the fundamentalist, the marble tower dweller, the one that knows in details what is best for me, but has yet to fix his own life.
      Hooroo
      Marc

    20. 1Marc Indeed - RG, how often do you eat Macaroni CHeese? Do you still have it to remind you of the old days - or are you totally put off?
      I know for me - the food of the days of poverty in childhood are repulsive to me - it was dried and soggy sandwiches.  The thought of them makes me want to throw up.  I don't eat normal bread - and won't go near the bread we had as kids. My kids hardly ever get sandwiches in their school lunches.

    21. Randy_Gage I, for some reason, had put it beyond you to dismiss a legitimate perspective on a moot topic by resorting to some narrow-minded, pre-packaged, pseudo-psychological reasoning. I suggested no opposition to the pursuit of riches or the honing of the skills and attitudes required so to do because I have none. In fact, I support and promote such, as long as it is all done ethically. I never challenged your abhorrence for dangerous religious beliefs simply because I also share those feels on the subject. My comment is simply an acknowledgement of the fact that many have simply transferred the same fanatical tendencies they have towards religion to the arena pursuing wealth with equally negative consequences. It's both a kind of balance and a caution in one.
      Somehow, you find that to be an attack on your belief system that you feel you must attack doggedly!! Quite odd.

    22. NatalieLamb Annieb Thank you Natalie. Thank you for your time and kind words.  I will think about what you say.  I am still learning. 🙂

    23. SherwinWilliams    Actually I did not find your comments to be an attack on my belief system at all.  I'm glad to hear that you share my feelings on the dangers of many religious beliefs.  I just found it out to bring in the money example and feel it distracts from the real issue.  Please don't take my comments to be attacking you "doggedly" - they weren't.

      -RG

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